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Post by treasure on Apr 1, 2008 0:23:23 GMT -5
I've found this photo in Toronto's City Hall Archive, section of Arts and Literature. Obviously this is just a photocopy, not original. Text is almost unreadable, but no doubts there is in caps: CHARLES LUTWIDGE DODGSON and Ms. ALICE LIDDELL. Small italic letters couldn't read just the date: 1862, but I'm not sure. Who knows more about it, or has bigger image, please let me know.  studiotreasure.com/alice/April1.htm |
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Post by mikeindex on Apr 1, 2008 4:33:10 GMT -5
What a charming photo. And what a well-chosen date for displaying it.
Mike
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Post by treasure on Apr 1, 2008 16:00:46 GMT -5
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Post by johntufail on Apr 1, 2008 16:07:37 GMT -5
Personally, I think it is a fake. Main reason is that the background shadows are far more foreshortened than those on @carroll' and Alice indicating two different times of the day. The buldings are so tall, in fact, that at the time of day that the shadows of Carroll and Alice indicate, there would, in fact be no sunlight at all ob the roadway (note the height of the buildings!).
Also, 'Carroll's' clothing, especially the trousers appear to be out of period for the 1860's, I thought this was a period when gentle men woe quite close cut trousers - and it looks as though Carroll is not wearing gloves. ) or does not appear to be?). Carroll invariably wore gloves in town.
The stove-pipe hat Carroll is carrying is not one I associate with Carroll, it looks more like the type of hat associated with Brunell! I believe Carroll wore a less 'expressive' form of headwear (I may be wrong on this).
I have just checked my fashion reservations with the Victoria Web and their illustrations concur.
The lack of shadow on the walking stick (remarked on elsewhere) is also a giveaway of course.
Regards
JT
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Post by johntufail on Apr 1, 2008 16:24:14 GMT -5
Personally, I think it is a fake. Main reason is that the background shadows are far more foreshortened than those on @carroll' and Alice indicating two different times of the day. The buldings are so tall, in fact, that at the time of day that the shadows of Carroll and Alice indicate, there would, in fact be no sunlight at all ob the roadway (note the height of the buildings!).
Also, 'Carroll's' clothing, especially the trousers appear to be out of period for the 1860's, I thought this was a period when gentle men woe quite close cut trousers - and it looks as though Carroll is not wearing gloves. ) or does not appear to be?). Carroll invariably wore gloves in town.
The stove-pipe hat Carroll is carrying is not one I associate with Carroll, it looks more like the type of hat associated with Brunell! I believe Carroll wore a less 'expressive' form of headwear (I may be wrong on this).
I have just checked my fashion reservations with the Victoria Web and their illustrations concur.
The lack of shadow on the walking stick (remarked on elsewhere) is also a giveaway of course.
Regards
JT
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Post by mikeindex on Apr 1, 2008 16:53:55 GMT -5
John, I think the use of 'Ms.' 120 years too early, the fact that all the carts in the background would have had to kindly keep still for 45 seconds, the date of posting and the 'April1.htm' in the URL are small pointers too!
Thank you Treasure for a very entertaining April 1 diversion, which I'm sure would have met with CLD's wholehearted approval.
Really going out on a limb here: checking out the baggy trousers - the cane - thinking how easy it would be to paintshop a bowler into a top hat - was it by any chance adapted from a still from a Charlie Chaplin movie?
Mike
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Post by treasure on Apr 1, 2008 17:29:15 GMT -5
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Post by dough42 on Apr 2, 2008 0:07:02 GMT -5
Wonderfully topical Treasure - particularly as The Hunting of the Snark was published on April 1st. Following your link to "Toronto City Hall Archive" also allowed me to view a great website I hadn't previously known about. Double credits! Doug H
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